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« on: April 13, 2008, 01:45:06 PM »

I am wanting to buy a topline pc so I can play games properly (currently on laptop).

I lost touch with hardware when I stopped buying pc's a few years back so my knowledge is totally out of date.

I want a sytem that will allow me to play ALL current and upcoming next gen games (i.e. Unreal 3) at MAX resolution with as higher FPS as possible.

I need all this to run on duel LCD monitors.

I have looked on overclockers.co.uk and they seem to say that all of their ultima pc's will play latest games in top resolutions. However, I have no idea which system will give what kind of FPS.

There is also the question of the processors and the graphics cards, the various GeForce models, SLI systems etc.

Then there is monitors, I know that they have a habbit of being a bit touch and go with regards to best display performance.

I am not wanting to spend like £3000 but somewhere between £1000-2000 or less if possible.

Could anyone please help guide me through this plethora of technical terminology?

Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 02:00:04 PM »

There is this complete system including everything: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-052-OK

Here is another system but with nothing other than the box:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-005-OC

Major diff seems to be the graphics card. Is it worth me getting the second one and buying a couple of monitors?
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 02:19:42 PM »

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man I just spent some 30 minutes writing up some info for u... then it turns out my account logged out so I have to do it again...
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AAAAA!!!!!!

anyway I will write something up for the second time a bit later Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 05:07:35 PM »

yay @ Overclockers Smiley

they are my local store and are usually spot on although i usually just build my own, havent bought a shop pc since my first from Tiny lol
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 06:06:46 PM »

Audiophil: Thanks very much mate. Appreciate the double efforts :-)

Soul: Ah so you live in stoke-on-trent then? Thats where Im from. Used to build my own pc's years ago but as I said my knowledge is out of date now and, well frankly I can't be arsed fiddling about with it all anymore lol. There used to be a place called millenium computers on the fenton imex industrial estate, swear thats what turned into overclockers as its on the same address.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 08:08:27 PM »

Right, after p!ssing about on overclockers for half the day I think I've found the ultimate setup.

Computer:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-050-OK

Monitors:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-054-LG

Wireless Connector:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=NW-073-BE

Headphones:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SP-000-ZA

Mouse:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-017-RA

Mouse Mat:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GS-002-RA

Keyboard:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-019-SK

I spent some considerable time looking at the monitors and they seem to be the best for the money (over similar spec Samsung ones due to 'the panel lottery). The PC itself contains the topline SLI setup graphics cards. It comes with 2GB of RAM would upgrading to 4GB be overkill in this day and age of memory hungry games?

I suppose the ultimate question is though, at just under £2000, do I really need to spend that much and am I getting value for money?

Thanks
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 08:48:08 PM »

hmm about the Ram I think that u should get 4gb. You wont need more than 2 for the next couple of years but if u want top performance RAM is always vital. Also, in the future, when ur comp is a bit outdated (which happens, inevitably), the extra ram will compensate for the video card/processor. Hmm about value for money it is always an unspoken question when u buy high end computers. In the end, whatever you buy within 5 years it usually is worth much less. On the other hand I think that if u spend 2000 on it, it will definately last for time. When it gets outdated u can always upgrade a bit, so dont worry (thats the minus of notebooks: integrated motherboard)
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 07:19:46 AM »

To actually answer your questions first:

The monitor is just great, 2ms response, awesome contrast ratio, nifty built-in feature that allows you to change resolution and a three year warranty - I love it! Looks like very good value for money.

On the issue of 4 gb: If you're going to be able to use every single megabyte of those 4gb you'll need to run a 64-bit OS and have a motherboard with a chipset that supports memory remapping. So if you're trying to establish wether or not you can actually harness all the 4gb's, look below:

Quote from: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:59 PM by Hilton Locke on TapBlogger
When looking at memory in systems (be it desktop or notebook) there are three questions to ask that will tell you the maximum amount of memory your O/S will be able to use:

1. What O/S Edition have you installed?

    a. 32-bit Windows is limited to a maximum of 4GB and cannot see any pages above 4GB.

    b. 64-bit Windows can use between 8GB and 128GB depending on SKU.

2. What address range can your processor actually access?

    a. Typically that’ll be 40-bit addressing today for x64 (Intel EM64T/AMD64), but older processors may be limited to 36-bit or even 32-bit

3. Can your system’s chipset map memory above 4GB?

    a. Mobile chipsets on sale today cannot (but that may change with time)

    b. Newer workstations (which use chipsets developed for single or multi-proc servers) usually can.

Windows can remap memory from below 4GB to above 4GB and use it there, however, that relies on the three points above:

1. Can Windows access memory above 4GB?

    a. 32-bit – NO

    b. 64-bit – Maybe (due to chipset limitations)

2. Can your processor access memory above 4GB?

    a. If it’s recent then it might, and if it’s either AMD64 or EM64T it’s almost certain

3. Does your chipset allow pages to be remapped above 4GB?

    a. Probably not – and that’s what’s catching people who install 64-bit Vista to work around point 1 – they find they still cannot see above 4GB



The computer hardware is great but the gaming mouse, pad and the keyboard is a no thank you in my book. Sorry if seem like a real arse now Zagz mate but I'm just giving my opinion.

First of all, I've tried the new Razors and they're way to small, they don't fit my hands and just feel to much like plastic. I'm not sure I like the looks of them either for that matter, but that's just me. I just want to recommend the new IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 from microsoft. It's smart, extremly comfortable and fits in my huge palm. It is also used by alot of professional gamers too if I'm not mistaken.

Second - The pad. Which is great and really is the way to go if you're into FPS-gaming but I don't really like the intense colours on it. I can imagine that it would be quite distracting the first week you sit by your comp. I prefer a more neutral colour, something from Q-pad perhaps?

Third - The keyboard. This is really just unnecessary. But fine, I'll buy the whole illuminated - it's cool thing but, as I've used a keyboard for quite some time now I don't really see the point in having it lit up, except for the esthetic over-all look, when I never look at it anyway.
I don't think I can give you any cooler suggestion but if I'm going to give one as a fps gamer to another, get one where you can have bindings or just a really comfortable one.

Fourth and last - Headphones and Wireless Connector. Nice stuff this, the Zalman's are golden and the fact that they support surround is just phat mate, I don't think I've read a single bad review about those headphones. Another good pair of phones are the Sennheiser HD 555 ones - which I use. They are just perfect in every way. Although, they don't support surround sound, that I know of Tongue.

The wireless connector from Belkin is really smart, I like the looks and I can imagine fits right in on a desktop or plugged into your comp. Really a nice alternative to those horrid antennas you usually get if you buy an internal pci-card - which also just takes up more space!

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2008, 02:44:09 PM »

Hey Zagz, a fellow stokey Smiley

yes mate from Stoke, in fact just down the road from where Millenium used to be, in Heron Cross.  Overclockers in located on the same industrial estate and if i'm not mistaken the same guys actually run Overclockers.
It's situated straight through the centre on the right now Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 05:41:04 PM »

Thanks for all your info guys. It is a lot of money to spend so want to make sure I get everything right. Think Im gonna ditch the SLI configeration and just wait until the 9 series nvidea's come out.

Soul: Its a small world eh? Heres a crazy ass wildcard question for you? Do you know a guy called Garry Tunnicliffe? He used to be a BIG FPS player and I know paths often cross online with things like that.

Haha im on -1 rep again. I might start random insults to see if I can get it down to the lowest possible :-D
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